? >> actually, california voted for clinton before pete wilson got involved in the debate over whether illegal immigrants ought to have welfare benefits. democrat is a democratic state because it's state of immigrants for the reasons that charles mentioned. what is missing is not all immigrants are the same. many latin american countries send us immigrants that go on welfare. but does the united states need new numbers of the low skilled immigrants in a post industrial economy? is that good for the united states? it's mindless to say all immigrants are good. they are not. some are, some aren't. like all days are good. some days are good, some days aren't. we need and the republican party ought to be courageous enough to draw a distinction between people who add to the sum total of the american economy, buy in the culture, who improve the country and those who don't. there is a difference. >> bret: where is the screen? >> well, the screen begins with a conversation about outcomes. why is it that immigrants with certain countries have not thrived and immigrants from other countries have thrived?